Comments on: beyond theories http://www.divinenobodies.com/blog/?p=400 the thoughts and life of just another nobody Fri, 16 Jul 2010 03:20:48 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Ty http://www.divinenobodies.com/blog/?p=400&cpage=1#comment-23800 Ty Mon, 07 Apr 2008 20:10:01 +0000 http://www.divinenobodies.com/blog/?p=400#comment-23800 Well said, April. Often times we try to "over" spiritualize. I am a total man - I am not divided. Maybe our perception is not so much the distiction ; spirituality vs. carnality - as much as it is choosing to see others through the eyes of Jesus. If seen from His perspective, all men would see the futility of cutting one's own arm off. But then again, such a perspective comes with a price - doesn't it? Your article was well stated, Jim, Thank you. ty Well said, April. Often times we try to “over” spiritualize. I am a total man – I am not divided. Maybe our perception is not so much the distiction ; spirituality vs. carnality – as much as it is choosing to see others through the eyes of Jesus. If seen from His perspective, all men would see the futility of cutting one’s own arm off. But then again, such a perspective comes with a price – doesn’t it?

Your article was well stated, Jim, Thank you. ty

]]> By: April http://www.divinenobodies.com/blog/?p=400&cpage=1#comment-23484 April Fri, 04 Apr 2008 12:08:29 +0000 http://www.divinenobodies.com/blog/?p=400#comment-23484 I think the point is that if we began to see ourselves in a spiritual sense as connected to one another... it would change our physical reality. I think that is what Jesus was talking about so many times. The kingdom is HERE and NOW. The spiritual and physical are not to be separated. It's not an either/or but a both/and! When I see myself as truly one with my brothers and sisters in the world, then it physically MATTERS to me when they are oppressed or treated unjustly. It means that I CARE when they hurt and when they suffer. It means that I can't really be fully who I was made to be without being in community with each of them. I was recently in India for a few weeks. They have a beautiful greeting in the southern state of Tamil Nadu. They bow to one another and say, "Vannakum." (Similar to Namaste in the north). It means, "The God in me greets the God in you." What a beautiful way of acknowledging the one that connects us all. Indians also do not refer to each other by first name very often. Instead, they call one another sister, brother, mother, uncle, etc. Another acknowledgement of our interconnectedness. We have much to learn from our eastern brothers and sisters about what it means to be in community. Great Post Jim! Hope all is well! I think the point is that if we began to see ourselves in a spiritual sense as connected to one another… it would change our physical reality. I think that is what Jesus was talking about so many times. The kingdom is HERE and NOW. The spiritual and physical are not to be separated. It’s not an either/or but a both/and!
When I see myself as truly one with my brothers and sisters in the world, then it physically MATTERS to me when they are oppressed or treated unjustly. It means that I CARE when they hurt and when they suffer. It means that I can’t really be fully who I was made to be without being in community with each of them.
I was recently in India for a few weeks. They have a beautiful greeting in the southern state of Tamil Nadu. They bow to one another and say, “Vannakum.” (Similar to Namaste in the north). It means, “The God in me greets the God in you.”
What a beautiful way of acknowledging the one that connects us all. Indians also do not refer to each other by first name very often. Instead, they call one another sister, brother, mother, uncle, etc. Another acknowledgement of our interconnectedness. We have much to learn from our eastern brothers and sisters about what it means to be in community.

Great Post Jim! Hope all is well!

]]> By: Michael http://www.divinenobodies.com/blog/?p=400&cpage=1#comment-23478 Michael Fri, 04 Apr 2008 10:57:37 +0000 http://www.divinenobodies.com/blog/?p=400#comment-23478 Jim: Interesting prompting of though processor my Brother In Christ. God is One. He is In All Things, though all things, about all things. Simply He stated "I Am." Therefore if He is In us, And He is in us then we are also in all of others and in reality despite differences of opinion are one being. This is why God is so big. Thanks for thought prompt Brother. And. it does change everything the way we look at the world. LOVE LIKE HIM, G.B.U., Michael. Jim:

Interesting prompting of though processor my Brother In Christ. God is One. He is In All Things, though all things, about all things. Simply He stated “I Am.” Therefore if He is In us, And He is in us then we are also in all of others and in reality despite differences of opinion are one being. This is why God is so big. Thanks for thought prompt Brother. And. it does change everything the way we look at the world.

LOVE LIKE HIM,
G.B.U.,
Michael.

]]> By: John T. http://www.divinenobodies.com/blog/?p=400&cpage=1#comment-23477 John T. Fri, 04 Apr 2008 10:53:30 +0000 http://www.divinenobodies.com/blog/?p=400#comment-23477 Brian NZ Actually what I think Jesus was trying to say is that at this moment in time even flesh and blood are in the Kingdom. Eternity isnt some time and place we get to. Its happening right now whether you repent or not. Maybe all that repenting does is wake you from your slumber ;) Brian NZ

Actually what I think Jesus was trying to say is that at this moment in time even flesh and blood are in the Kingdom. Eternity isnt some time and place we get to. Its happening right now whether you repent or not. Maybe all that repenting does is wake you from your slumber ;)

]]> By: Brian NZ http://www.divinenobodies.com/blog/?p=400&cpage=1#comment-23451 Brian NZ Fri, 04 Apr 2008 04:14:50 +0000 http://www.divinenobodies.com/blog/?p=400#comment-23451 John T, Luke 17:21? Isn't this is what Jim is trying to say? That we access the "kingdom" world through the new re-born us. Physically we remain but our way of thinking changes and we see each other and ourselves quite differently and we can relate in a wonderful truthful way. We see "through the eyes of our hearts". It's not a learnt "taught" thing - that nature is already within us. "Flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable." That is limited to a time/space world but as we go deeper we can enter into a multi-dimensional world of love and joy and miracles etc. I said before we change the way we use our minds - repent - and begin to live from this deeper source within - the "bread of life". Goodness only knows what will begin the happen to our physical bodies when we do? Resurrection life!!! I agree we do have to open our eyes. Brian NZ John T,

Luke 17:21? Isn’t this is what Jim is trying to say? That we access the “kingdom” world through the new re-born us. Physically we remain but our way of thinking changes and we see each other and ourselves quite differently and we can relate in a wonderful truthful way. We see “through the eyes of our hearts”. It’s not a learnt “taught” thing – that nature is already within us.

“Flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.” That is limited to a time/space world but as we go deeper we can enter into a multi-dimensional world of love and joy and miracles etc.

I said before we change the way we use our minds – repent – and begin to live from this deeper source within – the “bread of life”. Goodness only knows what will begin the happen to our physical bodies when we do? Resurrection life!!!

I agree we do have to open our eyes.

Brian NZ

]]> By: John T. http://www.divinenobodies.com/blog/?p=400&cpage=1#comment-23433 John T. Fri, 04 Apr 2008 00:40:27 +0000 http://www.divinenobodies.com/blog/?p=400#comment-23433 Hi Jim Doesnt Luke 17:21 say it all........right here, right now.....We just gotta open up our EYES. Hi Jim

Doesnt Luke 17:21 say it all……..right here, right now…..We just gotta open up our EYES.

]]> By: Jim http://www.divinenobodies.com/blog/?p=400&cpage=1#comment-23427 Jim Thu, 03 Apr 2008 23:09:54 +0000 http://www.divinenobodies.com/blog/?p=400#comment-23427 john, you have a good point, and it makes sense. i hear you sort of saying that we make the physical/material world/reality/self the bad guy. maybe that's just another dualism all it's own. maybe, like Jesus, we can perceive spiritual reality either way...like perceiving our oneness despite the sensory view of separation. also, seems like so much time and energy gets poured into transitory reality like the survival and enhancement of the human body and an over-identification with material reality. it also seems like the ego grabs a hold of this especially. do you think so? maybe it's not so much immaterial verses material/solid reality. i don't know, i'll ponder that. thanks. john, you have a good point, and it makes sense. i hear you sort of saying that we make the physical/material world/reality/self the bad guy. maybe that’s just another dualism all it’s own. maybe, like Jesus, we can perceive spiritual reality either way…like perceiving our oneness despite the sensory view of separation. also, seems like so much time and energy gets poured into transitory reality like the survival and enhancement of the human body and an over-identification with material reality. it also seems like the ego grabs a hold of this especially. do you think so?

maybe it’s not so much immaterial verses material/solid reality. i don’t know, i’ll ponder that. thanks.

]]> By: John T. http://www.divinenobodies.com/blog/?p=400&cpage=1#comment-23417 John T. Thu, 03 Apr 2008 21:01:25 +0000 http://www.divinenobodies.com/blog/?p=400#comment-23417 Im curious why it seems that we are so quick to dismiss our physical being as not who we really are. The fact of the matter is that at this moment in time our connection to our world is predominantly in a physical or material(solid) way. Isnt it the truth that we are ok the way we are right now? Why is there such a bend toward finding our spiritual self, almost implying that is better than who we are now. Its almost like waiting to get to heaven for everything to be alright. Rather than seeing what we are now, which in the eyes of Jesus is divine. Im curious why it seems that we are so quick to dismiss our physical being as not who we really are. The fact of the matter is that at this moment in time our connection to our world is predominantly in a physical or material(solid) way. Isnt it the truth that we are ok the way we are right now? Why is there such a bend toward finding our spiritual self, almost implying that is better than who we are now. Its almost like waiting to get to heaven for everything to be alright. Rather than seeing what we are now, which in the eyes of Jesus is divine.

]]> By: Jim http://www.divinenobodies.com/blog/?p=400&cpage=1#comment-23413 Jim Thu, 03 Apr 2008 20:38:19 +0000 http://www.divinenobodies.com/blog/?p=400#comment-23413 when i depend on the data fed to me through my physical senses, i seem to over-identify with my physical body as 'me' and your physical body as 'you' - two totally separate and independent beings. lately, i've been becoming more conscious of my being a spiritual being. what does that mean? what is a "spiritual" being? is it strictly the absence of a physical body, thus an invisible/immaterial being? is that it? seems to me that it must be more. what about the qualities of that invisible/immaterial/spiritual stuff that we are? for example, love, peace, freedom, joy, fulfillment, etc... when i say i am a "spiritual being," maybe that means i am love, i am peace, i am freedom, i am joy, i am fulfillment. and maybe you share in and are a manifestation of those same qualities or energies or whatever one calls it. so we learn to live out of that higher Self, which Christ awakens. what if i saw myself and every person as a manifestation of the same quality/energy of love, peace, etc...i feel like it would be more than simply "treating each other differently" as two separate and independent beings, but has something to do with moving beyond thinking in terms of that separation altogether. as you can tell, i'm in the midst of the discovery myself, and have not even yet found very good words to talk about it. when i depend on the data fed to me through my physical senses, i seem to over-identify with my physical body as ‘me’ and your physical body as ‘you’ – two totally separate and independent beings. lately, i’ve been becoming more conscious of my being a spiritual being. what does that mean? what is a “spiritual” being? is it strictly the absence of a physical body, thus an invisible/immaterial being? is that it? seems to me that it must be more. what about the qualities of that invisible/immaterial/spiritual stuff that we are?
for example, love, peace, freedom, joy, fulfillment, etc…

when i say i am a “spiritual being,” maybe that means i am love, i am peace, i am freedom, i am joy, i am fulfillment. and maybe you share in and are a manifestation of those same qualities or energies or whatever one calls it. so we learn to live out of that higher Self, which Christ awakens.

what if i saw myself and every person as a manifestation of the same quality/energy of love, peace, etc…i feel like it would be more than simply “treating each other differently” as two separate and independent beings, but has something to do with moving beyond thinking in terms of that separation altogether.

as you can tell, i’m in the midst of the discovery myself, and have not even yet found very good words to talk about it.

]]> By: Brian NZ http://www.divinenobodies.com/blog/?p=400&cpage=1#comment-23404 Brian NZ Thu, 03 Apr 2008 19:10:41 +0000 http://www.divinenobodies.com/blog/?p=400#comment-23404 I should have added this does not apply just to Christians - this is for everybody and has little to do with what one has been taught to believe. We go beyond that - true "metanoia" repentance. This word "metanoia" usually translated as "repent" really means we must change they way we have been taught to use our minds. Just as Jim is implying. Jesus told us that too! All the best, Brian NZ I should have added this does not apply just to Christians – this is for everybody and has little to do with what one has been taught to believe. We go beyond that – true “metanoia” repentance.

This word “metanoia” usually translated as “repent” really means we must change they way we have been taught to use our minds. Just as Jim is implying. Jesus told us that too!

All the best,
Brian NZ

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